Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/08/2000 03:12 PM Senate RES

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         SB 249-DEPT NAT RES & AK HARDROCK LAND EXCHANGE                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  HALFORD  thanked  Mr. Pierce  for  his  presentation  and                                                             
announced SB 249 to be up for consideration.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JIM  STRATTON, Director  of the Division  of Parks  and Outdoor                                                             
Recreation,  said the  Independent  Mine State  Historical Park  is                                                             
located about 90  minutes from Anchorage in the  Hatcher Pass area.                                                             
It's an  historic mine operation  that was closed down  during WWII                                                             
and it  came to the division  from those mining interests  in 1980.                                                             
Currently,  about 52,000 visitors  per year  make their  way there.                                                             
It's very  accessible and it is  near the proposed new  ski area in                                                             
Hatcher  Pass.   It's  a major  tourist  attraction  in the  Mat-Su                                                             
Borough and it sits  on one of the few roads off  the major highway                                                             
system.  The main attractions are  the historical mining structures                                                             
and the  beginning of one  of the mine tunnels  in the side  of the                                                             
mountain.   Maintaining  historical  buildings is  expensive.   The                                                             
division held a public meeting  in March of 1997 to discuss options                                                             
with the community about different  ways to protect and sustain the                                                             
buildings in  the Park. Everyone  at the meeting  acknowledged that                                                             
some kind of adaptive  reuse of the structures was  the only way to                                                             
ensure the buildings would remain standing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON said, in his mind,  the only way to accomplish that is                                                             
to work  with a private  partner to  develop a visitor  destination                                                             
facility  that would  include overnight  lodging,  food service,  a                                                             
gift shop,  and tours.   This is compatible  with the  purposes for                                                             
which  the Park  was  established a  couple  of years  ago but  the                                                             
division  learned from prospective  private  partners there  is not                                                             
enough cash flow  in lodging and food service alone  to support the                                                             
investment needed to adapt and reuse the buildings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STRATTON  told  committee   members  the  prospective  private                                                             
partners would  need another attraction,  such as  underground mine                                                             
tours.   However, the  division did  not own  beyond the first  few                                                             
hundred  feet  of  the  tunnel.  The tunnel  was  owned  by  Alaska                                                             
Hardrock,  Inc., who  is  interested in  pursuing  an exchange  for                                                             
property the State  owned on the Willow Creek side  of Hatcher Pass                                                             
that Alaska Hardrock is currently  using for its mining operations.                                                             
The  division  got together  last  year  with Alaska  Hardrock  and                                                             
signed  a preliminary  exchange agreement  and split  the costs  of                                                             
doing  the surveys  and appraisals.   In the  final analysis,  they                                                             
signed an  agreement in which the  State will receive 118  acres of                                                             
underground mine tunnel valued at  $87,000 and Alaska Hardrock will                                                             
receive 107  acres of surface  estate on  the Willow Creek  side of                                                             
Hatcher Pass valued  at $66,500.  Because of the  unequal values of                                                             
the exchange,  legislative approval  is required,  which is  why SB
249 is before the committee today.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR  asked how  much Alaska Hardrock  will pay  per acre                                                             
for the State  lands.  He figured  it to be a little  over $500 per                                                             
acre.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON said it calculated out to $620.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1811                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR asked  if the  division  had to  survey that  land,                                                             
stake it and create  a subdivision with a five-year  plan before it                                                             
could be conveyed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON  said the parcels had  to be surveyed this  summer and                                                             
Alaska Hardrock  paid for  that.   The survey  for the acreage  the                                                             
State is receiving did not have to be redone.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR asked if the State is just receiving tunnels.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON said that is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR asked  if  they wouldn't  need  legislation if  the                                                             
appraisal values had been the same.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON said that is true.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR commented  that he needs to talk to  the Division of                                                             
Lands because  that might  be the only  way an Alaskan  can acquire                                                             
land in this state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON  replied they  try to be  creative at the  Division of                                                             
Parks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR said  he didn't want to discourage them  in any way.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD  asked if the division received  any opposition to                                                             
this proposal.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied that the division  had a public comment period                                                             
for the month of  December and the first part  January and received                                                             
a  couple of  comments  from folks,  but  essentially  it's a  non-                                                             
controversial action.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1898                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR  moved SB  249  out  of committee  with  individual                                                             
recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                               

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